National Security!

[BoPicasso]

The national security level has been raised to orange. They say the terrorist will use planes as weapons again.. Some people really are crazy!!!!!! Whats the point of the attacks.. The only point they get across is they are f**kin idiots!!!!

[undercoverlover]

i agree

[SpecialJ]

Those people have a COMPLETELY different mindset thanus over here in the states. In their mind they're doing the right thing, and following their religion. It's hard to believe that someone can think killing innocent people is a rational thing to do, but for some reason, that's what that particulargroup of Muslims think. It's Crazy

[Disastronaut]

eh, it seems theyve been doing this so often, im pretty much numb to the news of this.

[melodylee]

Whats sad is that these people that live in Iraq, Baghdad, etc.. Think that were monsters, when there perception of Americans is either rich old people whocan afford to travel there, the media influence, anda sh*t load of youngmen and women over there, in their home, with aAK47 attached to their hip! Whatwould your perception be of us?!Their lifestyle is so"old fashioned"they are practically living the life that was taught to us from the Bible! Their STILL walking their camels through the friggin' desert!!!!!!!!What it boils down tois this: These people, as a culture, have been living their lives through FEAR. Their leader for the past12 years has placed them under an Iron Fist, andnow we have captured him again. As a matter of fact weCREATED Saddam Hussein! He was nothing 12 years ago, and the United States gave him the materials to build an army and scare his own. He basically "bit the hand that fed him", and we had to retaliate with full force to show him who is boss. So do you blame them for HATING us?I don't, and I don't know where it will end up either.


Sorry, the whole thing frustrates me.

[melodylee]

PS you all should check out "Bowling For Columbine" by Micheal Moore, this documentary will give you a completely different prospective for our great democracy.

[SpecialJ]

The reason we gave Iraq arms was to fight the soviets, who were in cahoots with the Iranians. It was a lesser of two evils deal. People forget that just 15 years ago we were in a cold war! People lived in fear of the soviets, and we needed to stop the spread of communism at all costs. The U.S. didn't just "pass out" weapons, they did it to stop the spread of communism. would yourather have the whole world suffering under a communist rule, or liberating a nation? People should read up on the history of our country for the past 70 years, or at least the history of the history ofU.S.-Iraq relationsbefore they watch a micheal moore movie and base their beliefs on the nightlynews (this is nota jab at ya melodylee).The generation of people that grew up in the postcold war era need to realize that life ain't dandy, and wasn't, and for the most part (believe me, i'm not saying the government is infallible by any stretch) we did what we had to. Sometimes life is a choice between the lesser of two evils...

[Disastronaut]

true that

[melodylee]

The reason we gave Iraq arms was to fight the soviets, who were in cahoots with the Iranians. It was a lesser of two evils deal. People forget that just 15 years ago we were in a cold war! People lived in fear of the soviets, and we needed to stop the spread of communism at all costs. The U.S. didn't just "pass out" weapons, they did it to stop the spread of communism. would yourather have the whole world suffering under a communist rule, or liberating a nation? People should read up on the history of our country for the past 70 years, or at least the history of the history ofU.S.-Iraq relationsbefore they watch a micheal moore movie and base their beliefs on the nightlynews (this is nota jab at ya melodylee).The generation of people that grew up in the postcold war era need to realize that life ain't dandy, and wasn't, and for the most part (believe me, i'm not saying the government is infallible by any stretch) we did what we had to.


.

[melodylee]

Well that didn't work, I quoted everything you just said on accident.

[melodylee]

I am well aware of the conflicts in Iraq, I rember Desert Storm. I know that the whole reasonthat the US got involved w/ hussien was due to OIL. That is the whole reason that were there now. Where are the weapons of mass distruction? Where did they come from? Where did they get the friggin' ANTHRAX? From the UNITED STATES. Why do you think that the UN didn't want to get involved? We set ourselves up for this war. And it is far from over. I guess that ONE BILLION DOLLARS that we "handed" Saddam was put to good use. As far as Communisum, Do you really think that the U.S. could be over thrown but dictatorship? The constitution won't allow it to happen, it would be the fall of an Empire.I am on the same page as you SpecialJ and I am fully agree in life you do have to pick the "lesser of the two evils", BUT I feel that we (representing our government) did this to ourselves.


PS. Michael Moore might be an obnoxious ass, but he made a large impact on how I see things. A large amount of Americans dispise him for the whole Oscar deal. But untill you see the documentary of the Columbine students and why they did what they did... Not to mention the way our Media and Government play each other... I learned to only take in half of what I hear.

[sammydajew]

Everyone should Read "The Turner Diaries". if you "liked" Michael Moore's piece of sh*t.


its full of racist propaganda, but it does relate to today. it was wriiten in the early 70's. I don't believe what the books says but it is intresting.


Everyone we are fighting right now, only HATES our way of life, and wishes that we would go away along with the Jews.


The House of SAUD we soon fallhttp://philadelphonic.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif(50 years)then the middle east will be in complete ruins. thats why we (Democracy)have to get a foot hold in iraq and Iran (15 years it will be a democracy of somekind). the longer we wait the more lives will be lost. My kids, My kids kids, etc...should not have to fight these battles.


If the good does out way the bad then you must support the good. IF not then you side with Evil.http://philadelphonic.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif


-Da JEW

[SpecialJ]

I think you're missing my point. You are failing to see that the reason we gave iraq weapons was because we were trying to stop the spred of communism! Communist Russia! The U.S.S.R.! We were in a cold war! The U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were in a proxy war, one side funding Iran, and one side funsing Iraq. True, we helped out Iraq for a little while, but then we started aiding Iran instead. Whatever weapons we gave the Iraqi's are LONG GONE, and had been used up in the Iran-Iraq conflict. Do you ever see Iraqi's holding up M-16's in the air? Did they ever launch American made missiles at us? NO! they shoot soviet AK-47's and outdated SOVIET missiles. The idea that we gave Iraq all their weapons is a farce.


Regarding the United Nations, The U.S. along with the 43 other nations involved in the recent coalition attack on Iraq were following through on the U.N. resolution that said if they won't allow Inspectors into the country and cooperate, The U.N. will use military force. The U.N. didn't go through with their own resolution. So in conclusion, no The U.S. didn't think Iraq was going to overthrow us, but we were a little (just a lil) scared of what the soviets might do.

[sammydajew]

I agree.


-Da Jew

[melodylee]

I understand what you are saying, I agree.Ourgovernmentsinitial interest was the threat of dictatorship, but I also feel thatthe underlying concern was with our economy and the fact that our gas would be limited.My main point from the beginning was that I don't blame these people for hating the US.

[Mr. Cleanface]

I guess it is our fault that they hate us then.


Shame on us.


Just like it is our fault that they murdered 4000 of our neighbors on 9/11.


Whatever.

[melodylee]

Which doesn't compare to the thousands of people that have died of malnutrition! Not to mention the WAR that they have been suffering through for the last twenty years! We have been sheltered form all of this untill 9-11, and that was our wake up call. Majority of all Americans didn't even care what the hell was going on over there untill it posed a threat on our soil-- INCLUDING MYSELF. So I don't blame them for the hate that has boiled within the last decade...

[BoPicasso]

Jus my opinion,


I'd hate us to if i didnt live in the USA. We are free to do whatever we choose. We can believe in whatever we want. We are the most powerful country!Idonteven understand howit would feel tolive in the conditions and beliefs thatothers grow up in. Religions and beliefsare the causeofmost wars andmillions ofdeaths. Maybe people should jusstart believing in themselves instead of some god orsome crazy religion that u dedicate your life to. After thousands of years u think people would jus realize,hey lets jus say f**k this clashin andenjoy life! They need to kick back, watch da game, have a brew andf**kin CHILL..!! wit a smile that last a mile..! To bad alot of the people who are terrorist and some of the iraq people like saddam are so f**ked up!! The world could be such a great place.!


family friends and happiness is whats important, if people choose to not see this then i feel sorry for them.. The most important thing in the world to me is time.. Its the only thing we cant get more of.. We only have so much time on this planet why not use it wisely.


peace


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[Disastronaut]

i agree, i believe religion can be a great thing. But when you put too many religions on one planet, and in those religions, one is told to dislike those who choose other religionsor life habits,theres simply too much hatein the more simple mindedreligion nuts.

[melodylee]

damn tru.

[fellicity]

Hate to break it to y'all, but all the fussing and fighting between our government and theirs is just an excuse to run into little brown countries, institute another dictator who will do our bidding and take what we can get out of the deal. The <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><u1:place u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">United States</u1:place></u1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-region> has been doing this for AGES and AGES now.


Don't believe me? Think I'm just hating on the good ol' US of A? Do yourself a flavor and go look into a little history... <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Brazil</u1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Chile</u1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <u1:City u2:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Columbia</u1:City></st1:City>, <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Indonesia</u1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">El Salvador</u1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Guatemala</u1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Nicaragua</u1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Pakistan</u1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Afghanistan</u1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Zaire</u1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Philippines</u1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><u1:place u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cuba</u1:place></u1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-region>... the list goes on and on. We've had our arms in up to the elbows in every coup, every overthrow of a democratically elected leader, every civil war and every drugs/weapons/oil scheme on the planet. Millions of people world-wide have died as a result of American involvement in the dirty dealings of some of the dirtiest dictators on this planet. INCLUDING Saddam Hussein AND the Taliban/bin Laden.


Still don't believe me? Try talking to a Chilean about this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/chile/story/0,13755,1038615,00.htm (http://www.guardian.co.uk/chile/story/0,13755,1038615,00.html) l


and how many of them lost their loved ones to a vicious dictator who was aided and abetted by the American government. I work with many <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Philippines</u1:country-region></st1:country-region> here in <u1:place u2:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Southern California</u1:place></st1:place> - try asking them why they left theAmerican-funded Marcos dictatorship of their homeland and the pain of that time becomes all too apparent in their faces.


"Communist threats" and Cold War were simply red herrings for our government to play one side against the other in a never-ending game of power, greed and corruption. In fact, thanks to the great lie of Communist Insurrection we now have kooks like bin Laden running around and Slobodan Milosevic conducting ethnic cleansing experiments on his own people. And religion is nothing more than a lever used to control the unwashed masses. It works just as well here in "civilized" <u1:country-region u2:st="on"><u1:place u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</u1:place></u1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-region> as it does in one of those simple, third-world countries. Listen to Bush go on and on about being a Christian and how god put him in his position of power and maybe you'll see what I mean.


(By the way, neo-conservative media pundits like Hannity, Coulter and O’Reilly have been doing their damndest to make “liberalism� the new “communism�- strange, since communism is really nothing more than an economic system. They have even tried to equate Democrats and other progressive thinkers with terrorists. Beware of this attempt to undermine our civil liberties. Their brand of neo-conservatism is frightfully close to fascism. My advise is that you all go brush up on Orwell’s 1984 and keep your wits about you.)


One of the dirtiest regimes currently around is that of <u1:place u2:st="on"><u1:country-region u2:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Saudi Arabia</u1:country-region></u1:place></st1:place></st1:country-region> and they couldn’t be more up our ass if we had planted them there ourselves. 28 blacked-out, Saudi-related pages of the 9-11 Report don’t lie:


http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/072603A.shtml


So before anyone else gets all high-and-mighty about why the US is so Fing fantastic for bombing the sh*t out of Iraq, remember that Saddam was once our buddy doing photo-ops with Mr. Rumsfeld and buying chemical weapons to gas the Kurds from a weapons plant in the Midwestern United States. What's most sad about all of this is how our government has kept everyone in this country so ignorant and misinformed through education cuts and manipulation of the media that most people are willing to remain blissfully ignorant of our bloody, dirty history with the rest of the world. Most Americans actually think this is the best place on Earth to live, as if most of Europe, <st1:country-region w:st="on"><u1:country-region u2:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></u1:country-region> and <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><u1:country-region u2:st="on"><u1:place u2:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region></u1:place></u1:country-region> weren't also "free" with the same rights and privileges that we enjoy. (Sometimes even more!) But until everyone in this country wakes the F*CK up and realizes that 1) we are not the rulers of this planet and 2) the people in charge of this country only care about ONE thing: personal gain, we’ll continue to live in the most F’ed-up, bass-ackward country on Earth and more people are going to die. And that's just damn sad, because Bush’s energy stocks aren’t worth a SINGLE human life.

[BoPicasso]

Thanks for the history lesson, but that was so boring i couldn't bare to read it all... Basically all i started this topic for was to bitch about people and there f**ked up beliefs.. Not to try and proove anyone wrong.


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[psilo-cowboy]

fellicity is MAD &amp; for what reason? i didn't read all the
posts on this thread... so maybe somebody pissed her off?
i tried to stay away- but i had to see what the hell was goin on in
here.



??? maybe she's just a typical reactionary who wants us hate this
country as much as she does. she won't admit it-- but nowadays,
who admits ANYTHING?! she obviously has been studying why
our country is the root of all evil.



this country is what-- about 227 years old?!! fellicity's
idea of ages &amp; ages is kiddy talk. USA hardly
invented evil; nor has it been perfected here.
in our f**ked up world run &amp; occupied by horrible, imperfect
humans... this country's past isn't anything to be ashamed of.
that is if you put our misdealings &amp; mistakes in context.
it has not been &amp; will never be the utopic motherland
fellicity &amp; other 'haters' have wet, unrealistic dreams
about. that's alright- i don't blame them
Completely..they're a product of our leftist system.



i don't watch o'really.. he's an ass in my book. cocky bastard
pisses me off with his superiority complex. i do catch
hannity on the radio-- &amp; to claim he throws "communism" at people
like fallicity claims-- it's total b.s.
ann coulter is Great-- i don't necessarily know everything she's
about-- cause i've rarely had a chance to hear her, but the way she
stirs left-wingers up is Wonderful. she's hitting too close
to home for some, i suspect.



alright- i just contradicted myself by posting on here. i said i
wouldn't get involved b/c i know the genre i'm dealin with....anyways,
that was my $.02.



"devil &amp; his army never been a friend of mine"

[sammydajew]

Fellicity-


Sound like you'd rather live in Nazi Germany, or maybe even with the Sunis. All your bitchen proves (at least to ME) that you can spout out alot of history. Oh- Don't belive everything you see on the internet also ( it just might be run my communist). try going to these countries ask the them what they think. Of course they love us. They listen to our music, come for an education. America is the best country in the worldhttp://philadelphonic.com/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif. We do of course have our problems (Lift Wingers).a joke


And as i stated earlier The House of Saud will soon fall!!! During our lifetime. and you will thank Mr. President for puttinga footholdof democratic state in the middle east. It may not be perfect but nothing is.


Da Jew

[undercoverlover]

ya know? it's kindda like this:


the earth is a beautiful planet -but this world is an ugly place


you have to find beauty every day to be somewhat happy. weather it is the clouds or the way the sun hits your window or evne a childs laugh.people are going do things and think the way they please and there's nothing anyone can do about that. so don't focus on the negative in this world look at the beauty on this earth

[BoPicasso]

Well said undercoverlover, lol, thats what i like to hear!

[melodylee]

I really am feeling that not one of you has a right to cut Fellicity down for her opinion! Isn't that what "america" is all about?!! Free SPEACH.???? This world is a very UGLY place, but what the f**k!!!... We are the voters we make it that way, don't we??? By the way, do any of you actually vote? Because I will tell you right now that I am 23 and I could really give a flying sh*t about who the next prick in the "white house" is. So... do any of you care either?? I am just curious of what my peers have to say? I am not trying to start an arguement... I honestly do not have one friend that VOTES. I AM NOT EVEN f**kING REGISTERED!!!! How jacked up is that!! There are probably more immagrants regestered to vote than actual born citizens!! I guess I have absolutely NO right to have an opinion on our country! I will just shut the hell up now!@#$

[BoPicasso]

LOL wow people get upset over this topic !!!! lol no opinions aloud lol

[SpecialJ]

Look Felicity, why don't you get it that we helped out those dictatorships because we were trying to stop the spread of communism. The lesser of two evils! You still have the ability to write what you did because we're living in a democratic society. If we had allowed communism to spread to South America it would be the cuban missile crisis all over again. If you were the leader of a country involved in a cold war witha nation that is bent on destroying you, would you let them enter your hemisphere? OF COURSE NOT! we had to support the dictators that would side with us, or it meant the spread of communism.I am in High School, and mostpeople younger than me and upto 10 years older do me do not have a grasp of the cold war. The notion that the cold war was a farce is ludicrous. You can't deny the facts they had missiles pointed at us. Kruschev said "we will crush you"... is that fake????? we're lucky the administration is looking out for us right now, because if we let the terrorists have their way YOUR ASS would be fried. And Melody Lee why wouldn't you vote? all you people say thatyou want to make a difference and there needs to be something done an then you just sit on your asses and don't do anything about it. There is a socialist party in the United States, maybe you guys could check that out...

[SpecialJ]

The U.S. is in NO WAY close to perfect, but please, communsim failed. Look at the U.S.S.R.,north korea, Cuba, North Vietnam,even communes inAmerica, they fail.Communism doesn't take into account the fact that there is a thing called human nature.If you don't believe in religion than you most likelybelieve thewritings of Darwin.Does survival of the fittest mean anything to you? it is everywhere in nature! Some people will have better lives than others...that's all there is to it. EVEN IN AMERICA.Darwins writingand communism completely contradict each other. (Does that mean we shouldn't help people out? does that mean we shouldn't care for the poor, the weak, the underpriveleged? ABSOLUTLEY NOT. they need all the help they can get.)No two people are alike we all have strengths and weaknesses, communismdoes not take that into account, and therefore FAILS every time it is attempted. It is inevitable. Talk to me when we all start applying "doublethink" ("to know and not to know, to be concsious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies.." ~ George Orwell, from the novel 1984) to ourthought processes, until then, I think we're gonna be all right.

[BoPicasso]

Amen

[undercoverlover]

jeepers

[melodylee]

You make a valid point, but so does Fellicity, and if you want to go on believing that the "administration" isprotecting you, then f**king do it. But you know who is really protecting us?Young men our age who are being shot at and mentally abused into believing that the most important thing in their life to to make sure that their goddamn gun is clean before they die. Where was this 'administration' when three planes were so strategically used asMISSILES? Whydidn't they heed thewarnings? Can you imagine how long the tali ban was planning those attacks to get that so correctly, to actually know to hijack a plane that would have enough fuel in it to take down... the training, aerospace studies...


Listen Special J I agree with you, it is the lesser of two evils, and we had no choice not to get involved. War is almost inevitable, in that type of stiutation... But how do we KNOW that our administration isn't going to put another dictator in charge of Saudi Arabia? We will sit here in our comfort zone and watch history repeat itself, and the friggin "holy land" will be run by communism, and more people will die. I personally don't feel like the whole "Ora" of our country has been the same, and I don't think it ever will. Americans have always been living in fear... our society thrives off of it, and there is not a damn thing to do about it.


And sure I would go get off my ass and vote, but why?? And who for?? I don't even know who is running, and our administration will make sure that whom ever they want to win will win, so why does it even matter.

[SpecialJ]

Melody, you need to get some info and you need to start finding out who is running. Our admin. has no choice over who wins and who doesn't, it's the people, an that's it. In response to the comment about our men in the military, yes it is tragic and horrible what they have to go through, but they signed up for it, plain and simple. I know i'm coming of as a jerk, but i'm trying not to, it's so hard to try and find the right thing to say that won't offend people, and sometimes i get carried away... People need to cut G.W. at least a little slack with 911, it took years to plan that attack, and who was pres. in those years? Bill Cinton. G.W. hadn't even finished his first year in office. Clinton had the chance to capture Osama but passed on it (I believe it was Saudi Arabia that told us where he was, but don't quote me, i'll try to find out which country for sure) and it was in Clinton's Admin that the FBI and the CIA practically imploded. I'm not completely blaming Clinton, because that would be ignorant, but please people have to look back instead of seeing the conservative point of view as being the root of all our problems.

[psilo-cowboy]

i don't know if anybody pointed this out to you, melodylee--- but go
back to your 'blue' post and re-read Your first few sentences.
you first say WE DON'T have the right to speak against
fellicity....and then claim freedom of speech makes this country great.
which is it? WE DO or DON'T have the right to
criticize?!



melodylee, i have no idea who/what you are? i
assume from reading your posts- you're well meaning young woman that
has been fed A Lot of left leaning philosophies. i'm not
trying to cut ya down for your positions. i just wonder how
dynamic they (postions) are. i can read your posts and tell
you're unsure &amp; naive of the arguments you make.
"where was this adminstration' during the 9/11
tragedy? 'NO, it isn't that easy!!' do some
readin on your own....step out of the box the leftists need you making
decisions from. please take time &amp; check these books
out from your local library or bookstore. challenge your
beliefs a bit more indepth, why don't ya?



"The Man Who Warned America: the life &amp; death of JOHN
O'NEILL, the fbi's embattled counterterror warrior" ; Murray Weiss



"Dereliction of Duty: An Eyewitness Account of How Bill Clinton
Endangered America's Long-Term National Security" ; Robert 'Buzz'
Patterson





on the flip....i'm not here to aplogize for
G.W. i believe they'll be books written on him
too! i can't wait to see how this illegal
immigrant issue pans out... until then-- look into
the libertarian party if your lookin for somebody to vote
for. you don't have to cast a vote
along the majority to get your pts across...'it's all written in #'s.'
a third party gets a high % of votes, it'll effect the TWO PARTY
SYSTEM. look how ralph nader affected
the presidential outcome in '00!


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[sammydajew]

Those are all great Books.


You might also chek out "What Color is a Conservative" by JC Watts and "The Secret History of the Mossad" by i cant remember


"Uncommon Valor was a Common Virtue"


a quote that was from the battle of I. Jima that can easliy pertain to todays battles


Semper Fi

[psilo-cowboy]

i'm always up for some readin material... thanks sammydajew.
next i may be checking out "coercing virtue', by (judge)
Robert H. Bork. heard of that one?

[melodylee]

I am not trying to sound hypocritical, I just thought it was rude how everyone jumped down her throat for her opinion... I happen to see her point. As I do everyone who has entered a comment on this topic. This is a very touchy subject and I think Special j and I have been arguing about this for, what two weeks now... Maybe I am blind, I am not trying to "show anyone up", or be a bitch either. I am learning through this process to, I am not well informed,whose to say any of usare? I hate to read about sh*t that depresses me, and you can classify me in the category of the 35% that could really give a sh*t about our government, all I care about is PEOPLE. I care about the suffering, and all I had to say in the beginning is that I don't blame any country or persons for hating the US. Look how "blind sighted" our own citizens are?


I am a bull-headed person and you all helped me see this! LOL


~Hey I love you all!

[psilo-cowboy]

good luck making pts w/o reading the depressing truths.
with your attitude, i don't know if you "caring" for me &amp; others is
a good thing. if the country was made up of "caring"
INDIVIDUALS like yourself....i'd rather just care for myself, thanks
anyways-- your meaning well i'm sure.



it just comes off like you "care" as long as it's conveniently lazy for
yourself. i hate to seem offensive- but your sort of
"caring" attitude is 'a given' among all red-blooded americans...WE are
all concerned about the welfare of fellow human beings-- it's just some
of us put more effort towards it than others.



psilo-cowboy's advice: you should get off your naive,
sensitive ass and start putting substance into your agenda.

[melodylee]

OOOHHHHHH BOY! YEE HAAA! Bring it on! I have read some of your posts in earlier topics and you just seem like a negative person anyway. You don't know me. Conveniently, as of right now my pride and joy is my two year old daughter, and her well being, and I am sorry if all I can think about is the trillion dollar deficit that our country is going to face if the US proceeds with the bull sh*t! AND GUESS WHO GETS TO PAY OFF THAT!???? OUR CHILDREN. Of course, I am sure you knew that, insensitive assholes put substance into their agenda, RIGHT? So, what do you do? I know you can read, so anything else???


Why do I need to make "points" with people? (It's not high school!) I just RESPECT people, Cowboy.

[psilo-cowboy]

is that right...are you really sure bout that? i've been nothing
but positive &amp; non-offensive on other theads. i have
been WELL behaved; if ya will point out an example w/n my 20 some
odd posts here @ g love's board, i'd be more than happy to own
up.



your delusions are understandable &amp; consistent w/ you character on
this board. i am happy to see you're a proud parent--- as
well as I.

[melodylee]

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[psilo-cowboy]

box with a red X..you did better than i could do. is that
a pic saying "arguing on the internet is like the special olympics"?
something along those lines.



i have no hard feelings.. i do hope you check those books out.

[melodylee]

haaaaaaaaaaa, ha ha ha ha, Sometimes things just don't work out the way you want them to. Did you go have a cigarette? You seem clamer...





Life is like the pole vault of the "Special Olympics", you keep trying to just jump over it all without breaking your f**king neck!!!!!!!

[psilo-cowboy]

you really did have a special olympics pic there! how funny.....



no vices to used to calm me down this time.. i wasn't really
that hyped in the first place. it's quite easy for me to speak
with a sharp tongue, that's all.

[melodylee]

Yeah right!!!! ( I can't stop laughing) I need a damn cigarette!! I like VICES OOH, Lets argue about that!!!!!! LOLhttp://www.philadelphonic.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif


You were a little Hyped, face it!!!

[sammydajew]

I didn't really think we were arguing.


everything thats been posted is just opinion, back up with facts.


a healthy debate has never hurt anyone, and if you feel hurt then maybe its because your on the wrong side of the debate.


nothing personal.

[sammydajew]

heres another great book "The Lexus and The Oliver Tree"


its about globlization. Really Good


Da Jew

[melodylee]

I will to get my "sensitive ass" out there and read some of these, thank you! for the info. No, I am not trying to argue, but me and "rodeo" had a quiet little discussion that needed tending earlier. And I am still laughing about it!smileys/smiley2.gif Yes, everyone needs a good debate!

[BoPicasso]

Round 2


DING!!!!!!!!


lol

[sammydajew]

So why don't we end this debate. It was getting tired anyways.


oh Melody- We still love ya


Da JEwhttp://philadelphonic.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

[BoPicasso]

I agree!!!!!! But i was ready to referee ...... Jus pm me if u need me lol....


Peace from St.Louis


Bo

[undercoverlover]

were any of you in speech and debate by any chance?


i was, the speech part was fun and easy but debate thats tooooooo much research. it felt extra home work. but non the less i am happy to see that there are some intelectual people left in our generation go us


four pages

[SpecialJ]

Im in a band..I'm not into debate it'd take up too much of my time. Whenever we have a debate in class i speak up though, i gotta i got to a Catholic High School and EVERY TEACHER is a RAGIN liberal, and a lot of them encorporate their beliefs into the teaching without telling kids the other side an letting them decide, it's screwed up

[melodylee]

OHHHH, those damn Catholics! No wonder your so opinionated!!!LOL


p.s. I am catholic too :)

[SpecialJ]

How do you find a Catholic church in Kansas?

[BoPicasso]

Kansas im sure is full of alot of rural area.. Which would mean alot of churches in the country.. Alot of rural area people seem to be religious.. The question would be how do u find some good nightlife in Kansas.???? Besides Kansas City lol... (mostly on the Missouri side anyways)..

[SpecialJ]

I know there are a lot of churches, but Catholicism seems like a big east coast thing....I hear ya about the nightlife! There's always a good tractor pull or seed spitting contest though!

[melodylee]

Actually we throw"manure" around and drink lots of BEER! LOL! You guys are funny! Come on Kansas is like the "bible belt" of the united states! We have tons of Catholic Schools here! We practically have a Church on every corner, we also have bars on every corner!


As far as night life goes... We have some great clubs, and yes the majority of them are located in West Port, which is in Missouri. But I live in a "rural area" about fifteen minutes away from Missouri, so I am not sheltered by all means. Then there is Lawrence, which is a college town, and there are a lot of clubs there. I prefer West Port though. We have a lot of concert halls, and tons of venues where D.J.'s come preform. Oh yeah, there is also the City Market, and that is where I first saw GLaSS with Three Eleven, about two years ago...


No, Kansas City isn't that big at all, but it has a lot of history, and there are a lot of unique artistic sculptures, and cool fountains. I wouldn't want to LIVE anywhere else. I do enjoy visiting other places, though. I would compare KC to Minneapolis.

[sammydajew]

I used to live in Overlandpark!!! Also, Oklahoma GO OU!! the Bible belt isnt to bad. except for all the damn Babtist (spelling).


Catholic Churh with liberal teachers??? whats that all about?? aren't the nuns teaching. thats like no catholic school live been to.

[melodylee]

I work in Overland Park!

[sammydajew]

I used to go to Shawnee Mission South, and Olathe East High Schools.


Overland park is a nice place to work, who do you work for???

[SpecialJ]

We don't have nuns, there's like 5 brothers who run the school then it's all just regular teachers...

[melodylee]

5 Brotha's...


I work for a Mortgage company. I went to Olathe South, graduated in '99.I did attendOlathe East in '96, which was my sophomore year. My baby's daddy went to Shawnee Mission East. He would have graduated in '98.


That is so interesting... humm

[sammydajew]

Olathe East Was the sh*test school i ever went to.


I only went there in 95 i think. then it was back to Good 'Ol OKLAHOMA. 3 highschools in 4 years. Damn, i guess i was a bad kid growing uphttp://philadelphonic.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif


No wonder my mom kept say " Sorrys not going to cut it"http://philadelphonic.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif


I guess 3 highschools did...Maybe

[melodylee]

Well, I went to 2 highschoolsand a vocational school. And I WAS a bad kid, so don't feel bad. I hated East too. UGH. Did you go to any Junior High's out here?

[BoPicasso]

National Security turned into a private conversation... lol sorry to interupt..! lol

[sammydajew]

Thats cause WE are NATIONAL SECURITY....


SO STAY OUT ..lol


(nope Junior high in OK)

[BoPicasso]

National Security sucks!!!! lol


(Junior High in MO) LOL

[undercoverlover]

lol lol lol lol lol http://www.philadelphonic.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif

[psilo-cowboy]

oh yeah- i grew up an hour from kc &amp; have frequented westport once
in a while. mainly to visit the headshops, but once i sat
outside a g love &amp; special sauce show at the grand emporium b/c i
was too little (young). not all bad, got a good seat to
Listen.

yall go to the city/ river market shows? i went to the
first one w/ devon allman &amp; leftover salmon. had one
of my best trips at that show.

[melodylee]

I like the river market... I am so damn bored today! UGH. My work is so slow right now. I don't think there is anything else to do but keep rereading this bullsh*t. Sorry about the confusion Cody, at first that Scott Briam(sp?) guy looked like the dude, and when I went back to the website and looked again I realized it wasn't him.... Oh well, I think I am on crack today.


BOREDOM...

[melodylee]

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[melodylee]

I am fooling around... I have been trying to "paste" some pic's from the consert I went to in here and I haven't been able to do it. So I just set up a link. That is G. I will try to do more... Since I am so damn bored today.

[melodylee]

Donavan and Jack Johnson:


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G and Pauli Shore:


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[melodylee]

...and here is another one of G:


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I wish the pics would have turned out better, but I took a disposable in with me. I assumed you wouldn't be able to take a camera in and I was prepared to throw it away.


You can't take sh*t in concerts out here. Even if you want to take in a bottle water, you have to leave it closed until you get into the gate, then you can open it, and then they want to see you throwthe lid away!!!!