u gotta check this out

[tim foley]

i don't know how many of you have seen these videos. i was blown away. of course i am skeptical about the facts but, it seems to make some valid points. go to google video and look up "zeitgeist". watch parts 1,2, and 3. also related to one of the parts of zeitgeist is a video called "loose change 911". the video's are a little long but well worth it.

[sway2sway]

i will check that later, no time at the present. I was actually going to look that word up because I was looking for toe nail polish and I saw this interesting color, and it was called zeitgeist, never looked it up, but now I did ("the spirit of the time; general trend of thought or feeling characteristic of a particular period of time. ") the color was shifty, purply and silver and copper. later i will check

[sway2sway]

i watched the first one so far....that's really interesting. I'd read stuff about how christianity is rooted in paganism, but I had no idea that the basic religious mythology is so similar across the board, or that it goes back as far as 3000 bc to the egyptians. I find this explanation a lot more comforting, the fact that sun worship is at the root most religions, than believing people believe in this strange god man in the sky. It makes much more sense to me this way.

[tim foley]

crazy huh? the way he describes it kind of makes sense of it all.it's the best theory i've heard so far. i always wondered how you could blindly have faith in something. anyways, i hope u like the other parts. i'm sure we'll have lots to discuss.

[sway2sway]

yeah, it totally makes sense, makes much more sense when it is looked at from an anthropological perspective, explaining the roots, rituals, and customs behind it, cause lord knows (ha ha) that the surface picture of christianity makes no sense at all.
funny though, that this makes it more palatable to us, but it still leaves the same bottom line for many of the believers, sheepish pawns unwitting of the foundation, I just don't get it.
I could actually envision myself going to Sun Church (is that the beach?), it makes sense to our world. a man in the sky church does not.

[tim foley]

i don't get it either. i understand that the sun is the basis--but who started it? who's pullin those strings? i know that religon has been manipulated to better serve whoever is in charge---but in the very beginning of it all, who decided it was best for the pawns, opps, i mean humans. maybe we should start our own sun worship--lets say we have 3 day weekends(to better serve the sun)everyone must donate to the sun(sunburn) and only those with skin cancer are true believers.

[sway2sway]

I would guess sun worship started as a way of trying to understand the world and to seek security in the world. I mean it makes sense that if you don't know anything about this ball of fire, that gives you light, keeps you warm, helps grow food- that you're gonna want to err on the side of caution and ascribe it divine powers, even if you don't really know, better to worship it just in case, than be the schmutz that ruined the whole shebang.

But if the astrological/sun thing is perpetuated through most all of religion since the beginning of time, was this consciously done? how couldn't it be? what is there to gain by modelling religions after this same framework when on the surface they reject any dogma of that kind? is there a purpose to this duality?
maybe the aliens are really sitting a command center, running this whole crazy show. that's just another variation on the god man in the sky. only aliens seem more mischevious and indulgent, maybe they are the equivalent of the pagan god, Pan. funny all the elaborate stories we concot as humans and how they are so interwoven and of similar thread, despite time and geography.
hmmmmm, questions, questions, questions

[Miss Shark]

So you weren't refering to the one about the Federal Reserve? I watched some of it. It was quite interesting.

[sway2sway]

I got through most of #2. I'd seen the parts about the actual buildings and the contradictions there. Physically & scientifically impossible for plane crashes to have caused that destruction. But, I hadn't seen all the ties to Bush, the president of pakistan, breakfasting with the bin ladens that very same morning. And who, the fact that 6 of the alledged hijackers are alive, and the government just sticks to its story. The defence contract company that rakes in the $ after, also tied to the slighted US govt.

How does it just go on and on? Bush is psychopath. It's like the same thing as in the first one, where they said when non-believers question the christian tale, they are called blasphemous or just ignored. Question the govt and your patriotism will come into question. Or they will just ignore it till it fizzles out because they know they have all the big bucks and they can command the cultural mythology.

[sway2sway]

whoa! the last one leaves you a little shell shocked, huh?
amazing stuff. Even though at times I was tempted to think the ideas were getting a little out there, when I really stopped to think about openly, all those ideas explain a hell of a lot more than government explanation ever has.
thanks for posting this, it was very interesting.

(in the book Ishmael, they suggest that we began to be enslaved with the agricultural revolution, when food supply was put under lock & key. People suddenly had to work 12 hour days to pay to live, enslavement without chains)

oh yeah and that North American Union is a kicker. It said Bush signed an agreement without backing of congress or the people, which makes north america borderless. The Amero will be the new $
Ok, I'll stop, just know this: one world government and implanted microchips, that's the master plan. so crazy

[sway2sway]

if it's too long for ya, try this little clip, 4 minutes, about this north american union that has been apparently signed behind our backs. oh yeah, in the movie too, it said this would also give the power to nullify the constitution. onerous, scandalous, and evil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA

[tim foley]

i take everything in stride but this movie was kinda shocking. i don't ever know what to believe. like u said it does give a great explanation. i guess it's food for thought. who to trust? i hadn't heard anything about 911 and how bush was behind it. if you were to tell me that before the movie, i would have dismissed it with the greatest of ease. now, i really feel that something fishy is goin on. the federal reserve thing is downright scary because there seems to be no way out of it.

[Miss Shark]

So I was on the right track. I haven't watched them all, but I will. I knew the Ferderal Reserve story already. Heck, I know people happily living off of the interest earned on the money made by J P Morgan and his crew, never having to touch their principal.

I watched this the other night on the Histoy Channel. http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=240087 I had no idea there where so many conspiracy theories running around out there.

[angischy]

27 minutes long on You Tube...

The Dangers of the North American Union (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxzs46Nxohk)


So, if the American public is too dumb/lazy/distracted by the boobs of tabloid TV, um...can Canada do anything to block this?
I know nothing about the political system of Canada, but is it true they lack a Congress like we have...a Congress that is supposed to represent us and fight FOR us and AGAINST the things we don't/shouldn't/wouldn't even support?
What action can Canadians take to stop this from happening? And have any of you US citizens written/called/emailed your Congressional representatives yet?
This is going to sound completely ignorant, but would anyone in Mexico even be against this?

[Miss Shark]

I watched this the other night on the Histoy Channel. http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=240087 I had no idea there where so many conspiracy theories running around out there.

This is actually on again in half an hour.

[sway2sway]

this little blurb was buried in my paper, just a tiny square at the bottom. if I hadn't previously heard of the North American Union scheme, I probably would have paid no mind. But obviously it is something the bank people and politicians are quietly setting the stage for- despite the economist saying it wouldn't fly politically, that is just to placate us in the present. It is ever apparent the governments are using tactics to make the public think they want certain legislation, even if it is all fabricated by their own doing. sneaky.


Common dollar urged

CanWest News Service
Published: Thursday, September 20, 2007
EDMONTON -- A common Canadian-American currency makes more sense now than ever, says Bank of Montreal chief economist Sherry Cooper,

"Now that the Canadian dollar is near par, a buck for a buck makes sense to me," she said.

But even if the business case for "dollarization" is solid, she admits the idea will never fly politically.
Dollarization would reduce currency risks for companies that operate across the border, Cooper said. It would also cut the costs of currency exchange and simplify tourist spending in the U.S.

But Cooper acknowledged that "if we have no say on monetary policy, then we would lose that aspect of our sovereignty."

[angischy]

Common dollar urged . . . September 20, 2007

This isn't the first time this has been discussed though, right?
i.e. A quick Google search found this article from 2002 (http://www.paulchung.net/dollarization.htm)

The last line of the article states "No future 'Amero' will solve the Canadian monetary dilemma."

I would never claim to be an expert on politics or international currency.
I'm sure the benefits for all countries involved may be tempting, but I am concerned about what all involved would lose as a result.

You can't put a band-aid on a financial problem and expect it to just go away.

[sway2sway]

yes, but as of yesterday our dollar was at par with the US for the first time in 31 years.
http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=ea11e66d-a1e7-4cb3-9848-e879453b65f6

I think that adds fuel to the fire and I wouldn't even doubt that it is all orchestrated.
I've officially joined the conspiracy camp. ;)

[angischy]

I've officially joined the conspiracy camp. ;)

I hear ya.

[CaraD.]

that weird Britney loving drag queen Chris thats all over youtube was talking about ziegeist on one of his videos... however, he must have been drunk or under the influence of something... because nothing he said made sense.