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sway2sway
01-16-2008, 01:14 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/world/africa/14fishing.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


This is about African fisherman struggling to survive as their fish stocks are being depleted, mostly by other countries. The fishing rights have been sold off by the government, cause they're a poor country, I'm guessing the usual, transient unstable governments looking for a short term solution. These coastal africans are attempting to follow the fish (illegally immigrate). Leaky boats, money paid to unscrupulous 'ferryman', deportation, death- that kinda thing.

A vast flotilla of industrial trawlers from the European Union, China, Russia and elsewhere, together with an abundance of local boats, have so thoroughly scoured northwest Africa’s ocean floor that major fish populations are collapsing.

That has crippled coastal economies and added to the surge of illegal migrants who brave the high seas in wooden pirogues hoping to reach Europe. While reasons for immigration are as varied as fish species, Europe’s lure has clearly intensified as northwest Africa’s fish population has dwindled.

Last year roughly 31,000 Africans tried to reach the Canary Islands, a prime transit point to Europe, in more than 900 boats. About 6,000 died or disappeared, according to one estimate cited by the United Nations.


Sometimes you know things in theory- like fishing is not sustainable these days- or poor countries sell off valuable natural resources for short term gain. Then sometimes you read an article and it just hits you a little differently, a few different facts, a few different humans giving their side of the story, how it impacts their lives- and then you can see it differently.
voila, relevant and contexual- or at least more so than previously.

You know that song yesterday by G (now this quote is outta context, I admit, but it fits for my purpose)-
the world is getting smaller, but you still can't seem to be getting anywhere that you wanna be

Funny, how the world is getting smaller for some of us, with advances in technology, transportation, and such. But for some, like poor coastal africans, the world is much the same as ever. And the thing is, ours is smaller, so we're moving in on them. They got the same bigger world as ever- they're living in one spot, with limited global mobility- and now we're infringing on their thing, they got going.

Not saying, it's all our fault, or you should stop eating the fish, or here- sign a petition. There are policies in place which mandate that countries are only supposed to sell off their surplus fish, as fishing rights- but somehow this was not upheld from the get go, or it came after the fact, I don't know. Pretty hard to stop something that is seen as mutually beneficial by 2 governments.
It's an ugly pattern though.
slashing rain forests for beef.
burning bogs to grow biofuel.
natural disasters potentially related to climate change increasing, with the poor countries seemingly hit the hardest and with no structure or $ to recover.
and the lest we forget the animal & plant kingdoms, they don't even get anything back outta our 'mutually beneficial' deals, on them we just take, take, take.

To me, it's more sad, that a lot of these africans trying to leave, still want to fish. Maybe that's all they know, but maybe it's also preservation of a way of life, culture, heritage. That's a very sad thing to be taking that away, even besides fish. It's like a new take on the hunter/gathers of before, only now you gotta travel to the ends of the earth to keep up with the food, and even then it might not be far enough.

I was thinking of those cartoons last night, after I read this, you know the future, space kind- where people one day will eat food pellets that come right out of a machine and taste like a whole meal ( ha ha, we really are in a big rodent cage- run on the wheel, push a button, pop a scientifically calibrated pellet, ooh la la positive reinforcement, better get back on that freakin' wheel and repeat this shit, over and over and over and over)
anyway I was thinking- when I was littler girl, I always imagined this futuristic food was a matter of of convenience, progress, efficiency, simplicity. But, perhaps, what if it was cause there was no food left? fish gone. not enough agricultural land to feed our population, screwed up meat supply. could we live on laboratory food, synthetic shit?
ewggh and hmmmm...... definately not mmmmmm.

anyway, I liked the article

sway2sway
01-16-2008, 06:46 PM
I thought this was kind of interesting, cause and effect trickling down, radiating out. There certainly isn't just 'A causes B' in this intricately related world we live in.
Besides overfishing causing people to shove off the land in search of more fish, it can also cause people to move deeper into africa in search of food, wild game aka bush meat. This is a strain on the diversity and balance of the ecosystem, also the survival of many species. And judging from this national geographic article, dated Nov 2004, this problem is not new.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/11/1111_041111_bushmeat_fishing.html

sway2sway
01-17-2008, 03:03 AM
I'm getting the feeling no one may be interested in such posts as this,
but why should I stop now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxMLYNmRc_I
this is a really good video about logging in the congo, done by greenpeace.

same idea as the fish, getting screwed by the other continents (and their own government it seems)
please, please, please4trees

they say the world bank has jumpstarted this plan: harvest the rich resources to revamp the economy. the logging companies are supposed to be contributing to socioeconomic development, not happening. (I don't trust the world banks agenda.)

reminds me of star trek, where you aren't supposed to interfere with other planets' development, or face the dire consequences, or rather, they face the dire consequences.

Plus, those trees are HUGE.

Miss Shark
01-17-2008, 01:01 PM
I will do my home work when I can give it it's attention it's due. All I could think of was this after a quick scan:

Who am I?
My name is Ish.
On my hand I have a dish.

I have this dish
to help me wish.

When I wish to make a wish
I wave my hand with a big swish swish.
Then I say, "I wish for fish!"
And I get fish right on my dish.

So...
if you wish to wish a wish,
you may swish for fish
with my Ish wish dish.

sway2sway
01-17-2008, 01:13 PM
ha ha, you coming from the same mama angle I was.

Miss Shark
01-23-2008, 03:34 PM
So six months later nothing has changed.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200801230501.html

http://africa.reuters.com/business/news/usnBAN123021.html

This is down right comical:

"We should be able to do more now than we've done in the past. However, we need to be realistic about what can be accomplished given that we're working in a country the size of Western Europe with infrastructure challenges."

Sure enough is should be easier to do more than nothing.

The government has imposed a moratorium on new logging concessions and Bromhead said the government had affirmed its commitment to maintain the moratorium in letters to the bank in December and again recently on January 7.

"At present the government is committed to maintaining the moratorium and there is no date for lifting it," she added.

Bromhead said the review was expected to be completed in April or May. The bank has urged the government to cancel illegal concessions and those in breach of a new Forest Code.

She said the Bank would engage directly with Pygmy groups, without working through intermediaries, and create programs specifically for the needs of indigenous communities.

"While they have equal legal rights they do face social discrimination issues," she said.

Miss Shark
01-23-2008, 03:51 PM
I thought this was kind of interesting, cause and effect trickling down, radiating out. There certainly isn't just 'A causes B' in this intricately related world we live in.
Besides overfishing causing people to shove off the land in search of more fish, it can also cause people to move deeper into africa in search of food, wild game aka bush meat. This is a strain on the diversity and balance of the ecosystem, also the survival of many species. And judging from this national geographic article, dated Nov 2004, this problem is not new.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/11/1111_041111_bushmeat_fishing.html

Ouch

Using data from six Ghanaian nature reserves between 1970 and 1998, the research team found a massive 76 percent fall in abundance for 41 species of larger mammals.

sway2sway
01-24-2008, 12:59 AM
it's rape, all around.